It feels so liberating to type that

I got involved in the “orange fog” (aka Arbonne) 18 months ago. A very trusted friend introduced me to the opportunity. At the time, my husband and I were at a very rough place, financially. I had been a stay-at-home mom for three years and had just had our second child. I went to an opportunity meeting and heard one of the top NVPs speak and I was in hook, line, and sinker. I actually promoted to management level very quickly (went into qualification for Area Manager my 1st month in the business). I was so excited, I truly believed that I was helping other people be able to work from home and have a potentially great income. As I ran out of my warm market after several months, it became harder and harder to “sell the dream”. I started dreading sharing the opportunity with people, scheduling parties and drop-offs, etc. I hated the feeling that everyone was a prospect and if I wasn’t sharing the Arbonne story with someone everyday, and for sure everyone that I came into contact with, then I wasn’t a good person. The rhetoric and catch-phrases started to sound so empty to me. “Don’t quit until payday”, “Fake it ’til you make it.”, “Is your fear bigger than your why?”. I slowly began to feel like if I wasn’t rah-rah-rah about Arbonne, pounding the pavement to sign up new people, launching new business builders, etc, then I wasn’t much of a person. I mean, how could I put my own fear and doubts in front of the financial security of my children? What kind of mother did that make me?
Looking back, I can see that I was desperate and depressed, two emotions so totally foreign to my personality that I was drowning in self-doubt and self-hatered.

And then it hit me. I don’t have to do this. I don’t have to be gone from home for endless opportunity meetings and parties and showcases. I don’t have to travel all over the country for one more “life-changing” training. I don’t have to become that person who everyone avoids because I’m always trying to promote my business and my products. And so, I WALKED AWAY!!!! Wahoo!! No more Sunday night conference calls. No more opening my calendar and feeling guilty and ashamed and worthless that it’s not filled with 6-10 presentations each and every month. No more wondering who I can ask to host another party for me. No more, no more, no more.

I know what my life’s purpose is. And it’s not to drive a white Mercedes paid for by Re9 sets. It’s to be a happy and fulfilled person, who feels value for who I am, not what my title or my paycheck says. (BTW-I was an Area Manager, starting in June of ’06 and made a whopping total of $72 for the year. That’s subtracting out all of my expenses-travel, and products ordered, and business aides, and fees for craft fairs, etc., etc., etc.)

For so long I’ve felt like a failure because I couldn’t motivate myself to take this business to the top. The irony is that I’ve never felt more successful than when I walked away from the Arbonne fog and into the light.

“What’s your why?” It’s any number of things, none of which will ever be fulfilled by handing out one more damn Re9 sample.

Very well stated Hal…btw everyone, I got that annoying email tag to go away

I will say for me, I have always been headstrong, independent and for a young woman I do quite well for myself. I was preyed upon at work. I know you guys don’t know me very well but in retrospect I see how they did it. They got to know me first, what I liked, what drove me.

My parents own a small vitamin company. My dad used to always say there was nothing like working for yourself because you had no one to answer to. You do what you want when you want…in a responsible way of course. My parents don’t live a completely glamorous life but they are comfortable and happy. Being out in the workforce I would love to be like that go when I want etc… My passion in life is singing and theater. If I could do it and make a living at it I would.

These are little tidbits that my “upline” found out about me. My dad was also a minister and I have pretty deep Christian roots, want to do missionary work etc…1 more thing to prey on. When I was initially approached I was VERY skeptical. So much to where I went to 5 open meetings before I decided to join. What hooked me was what if I could do theater full time and what if I could do those missionary trips and help out others? What if I didn’t have to work a “job” and I could live those dreams….silly, not for me, that’s how deep those passions lie. Hey from what they said I could own my own theater company some day and travel the world to give back to others. So that is how they hooked me. I was sucked in and dreams dangled in front of me like carrots to a rabbit. Every time I would back away they would tell me of all the things I could do if I just pushed a little harder I could get my dreams to come true. How I would be blessed by blessing others etc

I think I was borderline brainwashed. They said listen to the cd’s which I did, but read the books….now I couldn’t get into it. They preached to sell out to the business for just 2-5 years and your dreams could come true. I thought about that. Sure it wouldn’t affect my ability to do mission work but how would 2-5 years of not practicing and working hard as a singer and performer affect me? I have worked for 17 years to achieve the level of quality in my work if I miss a week of practice let alone two it can set me back for months (if you aren’t a singer you may not understand that) So basically I would sell out and in 2-5 years become a mediocre singer/performer? Yes I could do missionary work but for all the functions I would have to attend my work would have to be tailored around that. To me I would be no better off than if I just kept doing the singing thing part time, work full time and take maybe one missionary trip every few years. If it ain’t broke don’t
fix it you know.

Have I been scarred by my experience oh yes but more so in an “I finally saw the light” sort of way. There were times that I felt like a failure because I didn’t sell out to the business. I wanted so bad to give back to others and I wasn’t getting any real results so I felt I would never be able to help. I still have to work with these people (upline) too so I walk lightly for my own personal reasons. Was I in a self loathing state of mind or suffering from a low self esteem? Hardly. I have been through the fire in my life and I am a survivor no matter what. I know what I am worth and what I am capable of.

I just think Steve needs to realize that what gets most people is the “dream” of what could be. Sure there are those out there that want to “belong” to some secret society (except MLM’s aren’t that), but I think most people on this board had a “dream” (and you still may do it just doesn’t involve a MLM) and that’s how they bought it hook line and sinker. Think about it, the main targets now are young couples and sometimes those with small children. They tell you that your wife can be free to care for your kids. Most parents want what’s best for their children so that’s the “carrot” they get. For younger people, they’ll tell you this will help you retire your parents and take care of them, set a foundation for a family etc. I think most people that get involved just want more for their family in one way or the other, for most it’s not a self esteem problem.

Fantastic – congratulations, and all power to you for your awareness and courage!

My partner and I send you warm smiles and respect, a great story to share with other people. You know, your post highlights the dirty, shameful secret of why MLM works. It’s the same as any addiction:

1) It offers a fix for your lack of self-esteem and the pain of your depression, fear, self-
hatred

2) It amplifies that self-hatred and depression and it adds SHAME into the equation

3) It exploits and abuses you while making you feel responsible for it’s failure

What I hate about MLM is that the people who set up a business to be an MLM business for sure understand this before they get going. Let’s not mince words. They know. They know the kind of depressed, ‘quick-fix’ people who will throw their resources into it in the same way that daytime TV loan advertisers know the desperate people they too can exploit. It is never accidental. These people know where the stress and the damaged relationships will impact – and they don’t give a damn. They know how costly it will be to the vast majority of ‘business associates’ so that they, the founders, will get rich. And we live in a culture that gives them permission to do this.

Well done for putting your story here, you write with real power. I hope that your action is a step towards healing the lack of self-esteem that put you in a position to be exploited by this ‘system’ in the first place.

I am rather impressed by your willingness to speak your mind –

in an inexplicably testy environment – I have been in this forum a few months, and haven’t seen much of that 😉 However, I would like to disagree with you and maybe this will lead to a better debate 🙂 (hoping).

1. Given the 10s of thousands of people that go in and out of marketing every year, its impossible to put them all in the same category – especially with respect to personality traits.
2. You ARE speaking to people(mostly – I have not been in an marketing) that HAVE changed. So I don’t think anybody here will tell you that the marketings are the only ones that need to change.
3. You do not seem to take into account the fact that most people are not recruited into marketings by the marketing, but by friends, family and other trusted entities – To ignore the power of persuasion of people close to you is IMHO oversimplifying the scenario. So, its simply not true that people get into marketing just because they have some dark skeletons in their cupboard or because they need to fundamentally change something. If anything, I think a lot of people that get into marketing do so because they readily trust the judgement of people close to them – and this is what the marketing companies exploit.
4. I will grant you that most people in marketings (that I have come across – pl. note disclaimer) seem to readily participate in disingenuous schemes like “fake it till you make it”. So in that sense I concede your point.
5. Finally, people come to marketing from every conceivable field – including people with very high self-esteem, people who are already extremely wealthy, people who are already successful in other fields, home builders hoping to do some good and earn some cash while at home, and also others who are just hoping to get rich using this scheme. While nobody here will argue with you that marketings are evil, it is impossible to characterize all the people who get in as any one thing – unless its the hope that they can make it big with marketing. In fact, its not even true that marketings destroy your self-esteem in every case – I find thats not true either.

good luck!

Just a thanks to PW and Hal for doing such a fantastic job of

representing everything I’ve been feeling in this thread. Steve…you do us an injustice by painting us all with the same “damaged” brush. Please do stay and learn more about each of us and you’ll see that there is no “one size fits all” for MLM survivors. Or rather, there isn’t any one dysfunctional thing we all have in common that made us susceptible to MLMs.

Even though I’ve been online for 15 years, 10 years ago when I first fell, there just wasn’t the supportive community and information available today.
And I think that’s what I was saying in my very first response here, that if MLMs were required to hand over the truth along with their hype, there’d be a lot less folks getting involved.

This all makes me think of my Management days before having kids. Prior to running the daily operations of multi million dollar companies AND staffing the places, I used to think I was a good judge of character. Okay, so I’m still a good judge of character BUT I learned from the years of hiring that if someone really wants to get one over on you, THEY CAN AND WILL. Some people are just darn good actors in their pursuit of their agenda, whatever that may be.

If anything, I think maybe one common thread I might see in MLM Survivors is the ability to trust. They trust others to not lie their pants off (though even with this said, I realize that many MLMers are not outwardly lying but being mislead/lied to). Just a thought.

I’m sure that like PW, a lot of the members here are active in their anti MLM practices. I’m amazed at how many people I know are doing it and they aren’t even aware. My next door neighbors for example, I’ve had many talks with them about how much they hate MLMs and yet I’ve later discovered they do both Stampin’ Up and Prepaid Legal. Even if only buying product (as was the case with PPL). My personal trainer does a nutrition line. Other neighbors do a variety of home party crap. All of them KNOW my stand on MLMs and will only reluctantly talk to me about them because while I won’t preach to those who don’t want to hear, I also won’t listen and certainly won’t attend any functions.

Anyhow….that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. 🙂

The editor approached me as the issue with the MLM article was being sent to subscribers

It was the March, 2007 issue, and the article itself had to do with Tahitian Noni. The author was being prospected into it and related his experiences with the meetings and the juice.
he also wrote about how little money he made and how bad the stuff tasted – a very personal perspective on one company and its narrow line of products.

The editor requested that I, as the owner of this group, offer something in response to the critical and mostly-well-written article that appeared. I agreed, and my response appeared in the July issue in the Letters section.

I didn’t mention it here before because I could not get permission to link to it or quote it. It seemed…I don’t know…strange for me to promote their magazine without being able to reference it. I was also uncomfortable with asking everyone to purchase TWO issues of Playboy magazine – one in order to read this person’s article and the other to see my brief response to it. I didn’t see anything new or Earth-shattering in it, and Playboy’s not the cheapest magazine (or the most comfortable for everyone to be seen reading).

I doubt too many people saw my little note, but I did get a couple of responses to it in my email – mostly calling me a loser and telling me to learn something about it before writing about it. 🙂

It’s nothing y’all haven’t seen here, and elsewhere, many times before.

But I wasn’t going to say “no” to the opportunity to speak out when it was offered to me.

There are two good points!

Yes, I overlooked the issue of ignorance. Just as importantly, you point out that we can’t know everything about everything. I didn’t join when my gf took me to the open meeting because, in spite of all the temptation and presentation and everything that went with it, before I went, I spent some time with Google and knew what to expect and knew that even if it wasn’t a fraud, there was no reason to sacrifice a business I had built on my own that was paying the bills, and would be able to do much better, for something that might or might not work for me. Thanks to Google, I did not go into that meeting ignorant!

It’s also important to remember that none of us can know everything about everything. Many of us in this group were in an MLM before search engines. It’s hard keep a perspective on just how much life has changed in the past 10-12 years. In 1995 most people didn’t have the Internet or had even heard of it. Now we count on it as part of our lives and many of us, if we have questions of anything, we go to a search engine and check it out.

Even with that in mind, the open meetings of QS are pretty good at playing emotional tricks on people. They don’t want to tell you what the meeting is about until you’re there and they do a good song-and-dance about how you’ll find a lot of people saying bad things because they’re jealous.

Even with all that, if you search for the right terms for an MLM, many of them have gone out of their way to front load search engine results so you’re likely to get results they want you to see instead of honest opinions.

I will only differ with you on one point: ignorance

The MLM leaders RELY UPON ignorance in order for the rest of their pitch to work. If everyone was fully aware (NOT ignorant) of MLM and the harm it has caused, the entire industry would probably collapse.

We cannot know everything about everything, and it’s those gaps in an individual’s knowledge that allows such an elaborate scam to work.
That’s why the only way the industry will be reformed or outlawed is for government to step in and put a stop to the abuses. That’s why those of us who participate in these forums need to take any opportunity we can to let our neighbors, friends, elected officials and anyone else with whom we come into contact hear about it.

I’ve sent letters to my attorney general. I’ve submitted letters to lawyers. I’ve contributed to Eric Scheibeler’s legal fund. My wife and I appeared on Dateline NBC to speak out about MLM. I was approached by an editor at Playboy Magazine (Owning this board has its privileges – wink, wink.)about writing a response to an article they published a few months ago about MLM. I’m sure other opportunities will appear for me in the future.

But I’m only one person. And one of my primary goals for this blog is to make sure that everyone who visits here understands WHY we are here and what we are fighting. That way, more people will have to tools they need (forgive the pun) to assist in the greater goal of bringing an end to abusive MLMs.

Steve, as a new member of this forum-blog, I don’t expect you to understand all of this yet. But I do expect you to refrain from making blanket judgments about people you don’t know. I can assure you that you have NO IDEA about who most of the people here are and what they have accomplished outside of MLM.

I’d call that a form of ignorance. And I don’t blame you or berate you for it. Just keep an open mind. I’m sure your presence here will be valuable for you, and for us.

Yeah, that’s a game anyone can play with any terms

You are missing a VERY important point here: MLMs know how to deceive and mislead a lot of people. It’s not based on being damaged, need to see a counselor, being ignorant, or anything else. They know how to play to your strengths and desires, like any good succubus or incubus.
They know how to lie with sincerity.

And yes, once they get a person in, they are quite capable of damaging their self esteem and taking control of that person in an abusive relationship — which is what it is, an abusive relationship.

As for those of us who have been in, it’s not a matter of saying, “Okay, I was damaged and this is what to deal with,” it’s a matter of saying, “I wasn’t damaged, I walked in and fell for it. I have to deal with that.” And people here are doing that.

If you want to truly understand MLMs you’ll first have to come to terms with the point that it is not a psychological wound that lets them control people, it’s that these groups know how to fool and control people that are doing quite well.

If you insist on denying that, you will never truly understand MLMs or what is going on here.

Oh, and since you’re so fond of metaphors and comparisons, what you are doing is tantamount to saying to a woman, “The whole reason you were raped is because you’re damaged, not because of anything else. It’s your fault you’re a victim.”

See? Anyone can use a metaphor to their own purpose or do the substitution trick you played and make their point. The difference is, in this case, you are talking to people that have been violated and behaving like the statement in the last paragraph.

I would say:

from years of experience working in mental hospitals and treatment centers, and from years of watching this group, the one in denial here is you. I wish I could say this is a difference of opinion, but it isn’t.

You want to say, “If someone goes into an MLM, it’s their fault. It’s because there’s something wrong with them. The rest of us, the ones that aren’t damaged are safe. We’re okay. We can’t be sucked in to do things like that.”

Bullshit.

And if you know me and know my posting, you know I don’t curse online. That’s how strong my sentiment is that this is just plain wrong.

We’re ALL susceptible. Semper Vigilis. Always vigilant. We can all be fooled at any point. Whatever your political opinion, you feel that either a lot of people were fooled by Bill Clinton, or a lot of people were fooled by George W. Bush. People get fooled. It’s part of the human condition and MLMs learn to watch that human condition and use it against us, the same way politicians do to manipulate us into voting for them.

I know you want to believe that only damaged people get sucked into MLMs, but that’s not true.

I went to an open meeting for QS (I won’t go into it here, but I’ll be referring to some of these companies in shorthand from now on, I figure people here know what QS is, it was and will be again AW). My then-girlfriend invited me. At that point I had (and still have) my own business. It was paying the bills and I was doing fine. I knew some of the presentation was off and I could point out a number of logic flaws in it, but toward the end, when people started talking about their success stories, I was tempted to sign up. Not because I was scared, wanted to be part of the group, or anything else. It was because they really made it seem like anyone could join and soon be making a lot of money if they worked at it. (And no, I did not join.)

And right there, you may have shown you missed a point

the one I talked about above that I thought you had caught. I’ve made a lot of friends on this board. I know many of the people here are quite intelligent. I wish a number of them lived in my area so we could get together for parties or to see a movie or to just chat.
I’ll pick on one, since I think he’ll be okay with it. I got to meet Paine once when he was in my area and we spent several hours at an ice cream parlor talking about MLMs, music the historical sites in the area, and much more. He has a great sense of humor, is quite intelligent, rather laid back, and an interesting person (hope you don’t mind that, Paine — and stop blushing!).

I’ve worked for years in residential treatment. I’ve learned how to size people up quickly. Paine is no idiot and I didn’t see any sign that he was a needy person — and, due to personal and professional history and experiences, that’s one thing I pick up on VERY QUICKLY.

People here accept responsibility for signing up with MLMs. They accept both how they were fooled and how they didn’t see what was going on.
I’ve seen that after watching and participating in this group since something like early 2014.

I have yet to see a common trait that enables MLMs to suck people in. MLMs don’t look for one thing. They have learned to be all things to all people, to emphasize to a potential recruit whatever it is that will appeal to them. Then, once the person is in, they’re fed doses of brainwashing until they think like all the other drones.

You’re looking for a “fatal flaw” (remember that from lit class, people?) that each person has. The truth is there isn’t one and for most people here it was not that they were damaged that enabled MLMs to take over their lives.

That is a critical and important misunderstanding you seem to have.

I think it was more that your wording was not quite as clear to everyone as it could have been

I see your intent, but there was enough left open that it was possible to read what you said and think that part of the issue was that MLMs preyed on those with low self esteem.

Once I even made a gaff like that with my wording and, fortunately, by then, people knew me well enough that someone asked me if I was, indeed, saying something as stupid as what I wrote. At the time I wrote it I remember I was either tired or angry and it came out as if I were saying anyone who joined an MLM was lacking in certain departments. The thing is, when I said that, I had been here long enough to know many of the people here and to have met one or two and know that isn’t true. (I am here over issues with having lost someone in an MLM and stay to help others and because I feel MLMs are one of the truly evil organizations on Earth.) Someone called me on what I said and I realized I had been very careless in my phrasing. I do think that while in an MLM and listening to their brainwashing, one loses critical thinking and that many of the drones are idiots — not because they don’t have a high IQ, but because their thinking processes have been remapped to prevent them from thinking. I have a personal issue there because the MLM drones that can’t think critically remind me too much of an ex-fiancee, so I do have to admit that some personal baggage led me to make the comments I did without clarifying.

So, just to try to help, people here are quite capable of understanding when you’ve made a misstatement and that there was a disconnect between the intended meaning and the written statement.

I’ve only been on this forum for a little while

but I’ve already rubbed a few people up the wrong way by suggesting that the idea that ‘evil MLM does awful things to perfectly healthy innocent, good people’ is itself instrumental in how and why MLM keeps dragging people into its maw.

How?

Because from that point of view, you don’t have to change. MLM does. OK – you’re entitled to see it that way.

But for a minute, just imagine (however unpleasant this is) that there WAS something about you that made you susceptible to MLM. If that were true but your ‘innocent victim’ point of view shielded you from looking at it, you’d never change it and you’d remain vulnerable to exploitation by MLM / NW opportunities.

Whatever your reaction to my post, we can probably agree that in principle your bad experiences in MLM either DO have something to do with you or they DON’T.

Trust me, I’m as anti-MLM as any of you. In my view, if MLM is evil, its not because it takes innocent, sweet people and abuses them, it’s because it takes damaged, needy people and exploits them.

Believing that MLM came along and destroyed your otherwise healthy self-esteem is – in my view – a form of denial that keeps you vulnerable, and our society from seeing exactly how and why MLM is so destructive.

The same argument, btw applies to alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, porn – you name it.

Replacing Amway / Quixtar with ‘cocaine trade’ in the original quote might be thought- provoking:

‘ All in all, the cocaine trade is a very evil organization bening run by a few hand-selected evil people who have trapped hundreds of thousands of unspecting good people and brainwashed them into thinking their only way out of a failed lifestyle is cocaine’

Unless Amway and Quixtar and the rest of the deceptive cult has changed drastically in the last year

So, writing a letter to them will do nothing, but writing a letter to the Attorney General’s office will get their attention fast. Upon my giving notice of leaving Quixtar/Amway I was immediately and completely cut off from any and all communication with any of the members.
The person who sigend me up and the ones who trained me were all told they could no longer communicate with me be cause my “negative” quitter attitude would cause them all fail, too. I find it very strange how one little “quitter” like me could ruin so many people, but their brainwashing teaches that it WILL happen. I went as high as Dick Wilson, the regional leader of the area and received 10 minute phone yelling lecture where I was told to “shut up” numerous times and was called “stupid”, “loser”, “quitter”, “a pathetic example of a Christian” and my wife’s illness was ridiculed, mocked and was even blamed on me. I contacted Amway/Quixtar headquarters and was assured I would receive a refund, but after a month received nothing. I had already written the Attorney General’s office and turned them in for the cons they were, and about a week later my letter got results. I was called by Quixtar and told how it was all a misunderstanding and offered a refund.
The refund came in parts and I still had to make an additional call to get them to quit billing me for their brainwashing CD’s, but after a year I finally got my full refund back, short of one cent. Since then I have made that one cent the most expensive penny they ever kept. I have and will continue to tell everyone about what Quixtar and Amway are like and have successful stopped at least a few people from going through the misery I did. You can not play nice with these people. Never threaten them with anything legal or not legal. Never tell the enemy your plan of attack.
Just take action as fast and as hard as you can against them and when they contact you, demand only your refund and back and talk no more to them.
They wish only to get you to back down or trap you into a comment admitting some or all of the fault is yoiurs. All in all Amway/Quixtar is a very evil organization bening run by a few hand-selected evil people who have trapped hundreds of thousands of unspecting good people and brainwashed them into thinking their only way out of a failed lifestyle is Amway. Hit ’em fast and hard, grab your money back and get away from them as fast as possible. I know all this from first hand experience.

If you write a letter to the Amway Corporation

Please, telling them you have chosen NOT to be an IBO, they will refund their share of your application fee. They’re really good about that.

Their main headquarters is:
Amway Corporation
7575 East Fulton
Ada, Michigan USA 40301

But I’m sure if you look over your information, you can find a “local” address for the Corporation. Just make sure it says “Amway”.

You possibly paid more than Amway’s fee to some sort of Motivational Group – the group your sponsor is in. They *might* refund your money – but will probably pressure you to stay in. Just tell them you’ve sent your letter of resignation to the Amway Corporation; and they will go away.

Scammers

I can’t give you any advice but I imagine you have already determined you can’t get to him for any legal shenanigans. I know a MLM scammer who went to the pen for a few years in a real estate fraud. If he is vulnerable financially then that is where to hit him.
Especially if he is one of these “Christians” who think they can claim what is ‘rightfully theirs’. I absolutely hate cults and I detest the people who use religion to make their ‘residual income’.

Need advice

I am getting ready to write a ” little” letter to my company..requesting that I be moved to a different sponsor and I want to take my downline with me…
I have extensive documentation of all what my monstorsponsor has done ( for a couple of years to be exact) and I have 6 people willing to come forward and tell their story…2 are a peer of theirs..my significant other also works for a high up politition in federal government and I have 2 sisters who are attorneys and one sister who “is in with” the attorney generals office;
I am trying to be a little vague you never know who may read this… let me say I would not do this if I did not feel it would be successful.. however I do know that it is going to be the decision of the higher ups… my questions is this…
how can I phrase the letter to say… I just want to “do” my little business..so let me change.. if I can’t change then I am going to drag all the people in my influential orbet and not make nice..
I really dont want to say it…but I want them to know it…
have I been clear…???
all advice is appreciated…
ps…
and yes I have thought about quitting..and still may.. but I want this montersponsor to get what he deserves…
rw…

I was reading my friends posts

and I just had to say that I recently realized that the mlm I was formerly in, wanted me to be their next “poster child”. Their next bread winner, well they made me feel that way. I was prepped and had some more time spent, (not as much as I wanted at the time), than others in my upline’s downline. I was recently told this by someone I tried to sign up(in the past) and my former signee. I’m still not sure the reason, but I guess they thought I was to nice to say “no”. They put so much pressure on me to succeed, that I just wanted to back out. It was over done. The attention in the beginning was appealing that they gave me, but over a short time, it wore off like a basic sales pitch. I guess they thought I was attention starved, well, they where wrong. They never let up or gave me a break. If you see someone you know constantly saying how great they are being treated in an mlm, just wait until they make “one false move”, then they will get dumped like a hot potatoe. It’s only a matter of time. My first upline was 3 months, before I got the boot. My second downline, was about the same.

I asked my former upline, why do they do this when it happened, and she said “even I got the boot and had to work my way back into the circle”. I thought that was severe and kinda weird. To controlling in my opinion. It’s all surface stuff. They will only help you with your mlm biz. They are not your friends. They are only comrads in the mlm biz with you. That is my lesson that I learned. The friendships were faked. That is almost worse than taking thousands of dollars from me, in my opinion. At least, I came out with my dignity still in tack.
Now the one mlm that I was involved with is going to England and other European countries. I hope they are on this site, and we can warn them!

If you have already explained to her that you are not interested

she should leave it at that. Depending on how brainwashed she is she may pressure you or distance herself. They teach in some organizations to disassociate yourself with negativity, anything that may steal your dream…unfortunately that can and does include family and friends. You have to handle it with kid gloves if your friendship is that important to you. Maybe you can share some of the information you have received through research if she pressures you. This will probably trigger her to tell you that those people are just “jealous, broke losers” I guess what I’m trying to say is there is no good way to talk about this with her. You may just have to agree to disagree and just not discuss what is going on in her “business”. If she does see the light she most likely will be scarred somewhat from the experience, your job as her friend is to jAs for her being successful and making 6 figures in the
next three years…. the success rate for MLM’s is very low less than 2%.

Antonio, I think you’re confusing the corp with the motivational organizations

The corporation DOES honor requests for refunds of application fees. Motivational organizations will do everything they can to keep you from quitting or getting your money back. my-feeThe corporation tries to keep itself separate from the A/QMOs, even as they do nothing about the abuses. I have written letters to lawyers and to attorneys general. It does not get the attention of anyone until legal action is taken against them. It’s good to have those letters on file in their offices, but only the ones that are the easiest to respond to will get results from the corporation. In other words, if you want your $150 registration fee back, you’ll probably get it. If you too need 1000 dollar loan then visit official Lendme1000 website and leran how it works. If you want the other tens of thousands of dollars you spent “building your business,” you can pretty much forget it. Incidentally, there is NEVER talk of “loser” or “shut up” from the corporation. Never. Period. That is your upline in the motivational organization talking. While I would never think of the corporation and the motivational organizations as entirely separate, you have to keep the nature of their relationship clear.

I’ve so enjoyed reading the posts by my friends

I have a dear friend who is completely gung ho on Market America. She’s been in a little over a year. I’ve told her that I don’t like it, negative dream stealer that I am, and it’s caused a little friction, nothing serious.
How do you support a friend who you love who’s chosen something that you DON’T love? It’s such a big part of her life now that it seems difficult to just not talk about it…I don’t know whether to just let her talk now that I’ve said my piece and not refute claims she’s making, etc. I figure this whole deal will be a few years in the making, and then will blow over, but I would appreciate any advice.
Plus, maybe I’m wrong and she’ll be living off of a six figure residual income within 3 more years…?

I hate this analogy and would like to respond to it

When a person is hired at a company they are not expected to go out and find as many employees as they can and hire them. The company just hired a new engineer and he has not been asked to hire a bunch of engineers to come in and find even more engineers. We just needed one because that is all the work there is to be done. MLM’s need you to recruit as many people as possible even if the market is saturated. That right there makes no sense what so ever.

Now when it comes to franchising. McD’s and others do not have another one right across the street. There are territories, and if the market can handle it you will see another one a mile or 2 away.

There is NO business like this

I ran a HUGE and profitable Amway business; and although I could assure anyone that the cost to get involved is minimal (compared to what a bricks-and-mortar business costs)…. the new prospect had better be prepared to work HARD, withstand tons of rejection, keep crazy hours, and get involved in corporate-sponsored training, plus be well-versed in sales and business/accounting knowledge.

Otherwise, they’re going to go down in flames. When you make insane statements like the above, I just hope you’re wearing Nomex 😉

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